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Braze or silver solder...

Postby landy_man » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:33 am

The time has come where I need to start doing some tube work..
What is the go at the moment..
Are you guys using brazing rods or silver soldering ??
And which brand of rod or flux and solder are you using ??


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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby some_guy » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:59 pm

i'm brazing (or will be when i get a new torch)

but recently i've been doing a bit of mig welding with the exo'd scaler, a lot quicker, then touching it up with the brazing
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby landy_man » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:30 pm

so just regular brazing rods..
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby guerd87 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:51 pm

Brazing for sure

I know for sure that Benno and myself use the comcoat pink rod by Cigweld

Here is a link to the supercheap site showing the white rods. Same packaging as this except get the pink version. pink is the strongest but also requires most heat. MAPP gas will be fine, butane not really suited.

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online ... 34#details
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby landy_man » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:34 pm

guerd87 wrote:Brazing for sure

I know for sure that Benno and myself use the comcoat pink rod by Cigweld

Here is a link to the supercheap site showing the white rods. Same packaging as this except get the pink version. pink is the strongest but also requires most heat. MAPP gas will be fine, butane not really suited.

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online ... 34#details


thanks bud.. will be making a trip to Bunnings and Supercrap after work..
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby some_guy » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:45 pm

i can't get the pink rods at my local bunnings, only the blue and white
i have to go to mitre10 or boc, mitre 10 being the cheaper of the two
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby landy_man » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:00 pm

some_guy wrote:i can't get the pink rods at my local bunnings, only the blue and white
i have to go to mitre10 or boc, mitre 10 being the cheaper of the two


thanks mate.. will stop there if I can't find them at Funning or Supercrap..
what do you pay at M10
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby steve » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:45 pm

i use harris silver solder[flux]
and 45% silver rods from welding supp shop
mapp gass torch .
not sure about the coated rods but as soon as pipe/tube is hot silver solder runs like normal solder .
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby some_guy » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:39 pm

landy_man wrote:
some_guy wrote:i can't get the pink rods at my local bunnings, only the blue and white
i have to go to mitre10 or boc, mitre 10 being the cheaper of the two


thanks mate.. will stop there if I can't find them at Funning or Supercrap..
what do you pay at M10


can't remember, recently i've been "borrowing" schools ones
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby bush wacker » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:27 am

:? Why does every 1 always recommend the PINK rods, its total over kill for this application, all the bar work on my truck is done with the BLUE rods & i have never had a broken joint. Just read the application guide on the back of the packet & you'll see that the BLUE rods are all you need for steel bundy tube. Remember your building a roll cage for a RC Truck not a chrome moly cage for a full size rig.

P/S, If the PINK rods require more heat to melt them, that means your using more gas & you'll have to buy refills more often.
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby guerd87 » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:52 am

Id rather have the strongest join available over the next one down, considering theyre the same price in sticks.

Ive never broken a weld of pink before, but ive snapped tubing around a weld. Im happy to keep using what works, if blue works for you then so be it :)
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby Pricey » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:58 am

guerd87 wrote:Id rather have the strongest join available over the next one down, considering theyre the same price in sticks.

Ive never broken a weld of pink before, but ive snapped tubing around a weld. Im happy to keep using what works, if blue works for you then so be it :)


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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby guerd87 » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:16 pm

steve wrote:i use harris silver solder[flux]
and 45% silver rods from welding supp shop
mapp gass torch .
not sure about the coated rods but as soon as pipe/tube is hot silver solder runs like normal solder .



Ive also used silver solder, but if its your first time with tube work its a little harder to use i think. Mainly because you have to get your joins 100% before soldering. Silver Solder runs so smoothly it will not fill up any gaps, where brazing rods will fill up some of your tube mistakes.

Silver Solder looks heaps better though, nice and smooth straight after welding
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Re: Braze or silver solder...

Postby bush wacker » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:39 pm

[quote-guerd87] Ive never broken a weld of pink before, but ive snapped tubing around a weld. Im happy to keep using what works, if blue works for you then so be it :)[/quote]

This will happen to any weld, its likely the tube broke because of strees cracks opening up during brazing or undercut on the toe of the weld(to much heat).
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